Hindsight Cleanup

It’s more a specific character dying among the others, then gets killed off in a similarly gruesome fashion a couple of weeks later in his own show.

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The hindsights in Team Fortress 2 page felt shoehorned for me. For instance:

• In "The Sound of Medicine", we see a brief scene of the RED Sniper taking aim at a horde of robots, before being quickly headshot by a robot Sniper with a Huntsman. This scene (unfortunately) reflects the state of Casual play all too well in 2020, as the main game saw a massive surge of Sniper aimbots taking over casual servers, with players having to work together to out-vote the cheaters on a near-constant basis.

How's this have any relation with the aimbot problem in the future? Unless you're telling me that robot sniper headshots everyone on the map.

And this one:

• One of the Spy's voice lines for dominating the Soldier became a lot harder to hear after the passing of Soldier's voice actor, Rick May, to the point where many players want the punchline to be changed to the Spy sobbing:

Spy: Oh, Soldier, who will they ever find to replace you? ANYONE! (he laughs)

Isn't death inevitable? If so, then this example is pretty meaningless.

And lastly, these two:

• The gameplay footage at the end of Meet The Sandvich is identical to that of the end of Meet The Heavy, only the Heavy is now eating instead of gunning down BLU. The BLU team members are still dropping like flies, however, as if to imply that RED Heavy wasn't actually responsible for any of the deaths in the first video.

• One of the Demoman's injured noises (most usually from being ignited) sounds identical to the Rabbids.

I can't see how two are examples of Hilarious in Hindsight.

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From Bennett the Sage. This just feels like complaining.

• Harsher in Hindsight
  • In his Big Guy and Rusty the Boy Robot review, Bennett calls "Doctor Netflix" after pointing out that the series ends on a setup for a third season that never happened. At the time, Netflix was seen as a powerhouse in television and animation production, held in high regard by people. Nowadays, due to the many controversial adaptations they have produced over the years (most notably Masters of the Universe: Revelation, Death Note (2017), The Witcher (2019), Resident Evil (2022), and Cowboy Bebop (2021), which was reviewed by Sage himself in a video), Netflix would be the last company people would ask to revive a beloved series.

Edited by maxwellsilver on May 11th 2024 at 4:14:42 AM

Agreed, seems very weak.

Yeah, it does seem like a stretch since Netflix has changed naturally like all companies over time.

Everybody loves the me! I’m a great athlete!

IDK, Netflix's tendency to cancel shows after a short run is infamous enough that this is valid Harsher to me. It's not just that businesses naturally change or that a few shows got cancelled, it's that they make it their business model to cancel shows with decent viewership because they prioritize new subscribers (and thus new shows) over returning ones. Sure, maybe they think they had to take that direction, but it is absolutely a problem people have with Netflix compared to the praise they originally got for saving cancelled shows. It's a total 180 and ironic enough to note.

Oh huh, I somehow missed the part where it was complaining about revivals — I skimmed the last sentence and thought those were all revivals that had been Cut Short. I agree that doesn't hold much water, but I think my take actually might work as a rewritten example.

Edited by mightymewtron on May 12th 2024 at 11:31:47 AM

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.

It doesn't seem to mention Netflix's tendency towards shows being Cut Short, just the quality of their more recent adaptations. Plus I thought the live action Death Note was relatively well received.

From The Blair Witch Project. This seems like it's Creator Backlash and Typecasting.

• Harsher in Hindsight: The misery and despair Heather Donahue (the character) goes through in this film stings harder knowing that Heather Donahue (the actor) struggled terribly with being typecast for her role, ultimately leading her to leave her acting career behind for pot farming. Though she doesn't hold contempt for the film and still attends conventions honoring the role, it's telling that her first reaction to hearing of Blair Witch in 2016 was a depressed bourbon binge over the thought of the first film and her "signature" role being thrust into the limelight again.^note Fortunately her worries were for naught, as Lionsgate avoided using the original actors' names and images in promotion of the film.

Any other opinions on the Cheers examples from the previous page?

Um... no it wasnt.

And I agree with mewtron on the whole Netflix sour reputation thing... but this might be subject to change and I dont know if we want an example to be an Unintentional Period Piece... lol.

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Serial Mom:

• Harsher in Hindsight: Ms. Jenson, who returns movies to the video store without rewinding them, is seen returning Ghost Dad. See, back in the 90s, being a Bill Cosby fan characterized you as wholesome - not anymore, after all his sexual assault accusations in 2015. Then again, this may retroactively validate the point Chip was making that people who watch nothing but inoffensive films are very twisted, the wholesomeness being hollow.

This feels like a stretch. Are we going to have to add a Harsher in Hindsight entry to every work where someone was a fan of Bill Cosby?

Edited by SharkToast on May 12th 2024 at 4:28:35 AM

Yeah, it looks more like a Creator Breakdown, and makes her life seem more dour than it is.

Plus, it’s such a minor thing that the character owns a single VHS starring Bill Cosby, along with the reasons you mentioned, make it a pretty poor example.

Edited by CanuckMcDuck1 on May 12th 2024 at 5:58:41 AM

Everybody loves the me! I’m a great athlete!

Given the character even has her same name, the Heather Donahue example might hold some weight, but only if they can name some more specific examples of strife that evokes her Creator Breakdown, otherwise it's too vague.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.

Plus I'm pretty sure the real Heather never experienced anything as bad as what happened in the film.

This has been in the back of my head for a long time, so I want to know if I should add it or not:

In Kingdom Hearts III, there's an item called the Mask Rosette that protects against the "Sneezing" status effect, and there's a treasure chest that contains one in the Kingdom of Corona. Just one of these things alone would not count, but two or more at the same time sounds like enough of a coincidence to qualify as Harsher in Hindsight. But there are reasons why I have doubts about adding it:

• The item isn't completely exclusive to the Kingdom of Corona, since you can buy some from in-game shops or make them through crafting.
• The Sneezing status effect is contextualized as a symptom of pollen allergy, rather than a coronavirus.
• The item's illustration shows a gas mask rather than a face mask.

Yeah, that's a stretch.

I had a dog-themed avatar before it was cool.

Agree with cutting. If it really were only available in Corona, I might feel different, but no.

I agree with the example being cut. Sounds like a stretch to me.

From Eurovision Song Contest 2024

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• Harsher in Hindsight:
  • The choice to retain "United by Music" as the permanent slogan from this edition onwards aged particularly poorly when this year was likely one of the most controversial and divisive — if not the most controversial — in the entire history of the Contest.
  • Iceland finishing last place in their semi with a song called "Scared of Heights" when, just months earlier, they briefly topped the betting odds to win. ^note The announcement that Palestinian artist Bashar Murad would participate in Iceland's Söngvakeppnin mere days after Israel's participation was confirmed rocketed them to the top spot of the betting odds, only slightly slipping from there when his actual prospective entry was released and then completely out of the top ten towards the bottom of the list when he narrowly lost to Hera Björk in the final round of voting.
  • In one hell of an irony, The Netherlands's "Europapa", a song about bringing Europe together, became the first (and hopefully only) disqualification hours before the finals began, which made a lot of fans unhappy and divided, especially the Dutch.
• Heartwarming in Hindsight: This edition's branding was inspired by the Northern Lights. The night before the grand final, a wave of real Northern Lights sweeped upon a large part of Europe, going as south as some regions of Italy and Romania.
• Hilarious in Hindsight:
  • The televote, jury, and overall places of Ireland's entry — which has been readily described as "satanic" — resulted in a Number of the Beast.
  • This year's unconventional stage was shaped like a Greek cross (a cross with arms of equal length). Come the grand final and the winner is Switzerland, a country whose flag is a white Greek cross in a red field.

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The Number of the Beast one for Ireland's Bambie Thug (with their "Crown the witch" slogan) feels valid, and maybe the Northern Lights coincidence... but not convinced about the others?

Edited by Mrph1 on May 13th 2024 at 7:58:23 PM

If it helps, Bambie Thug posted about the Number of the Beast thing on their instagram in a way that suggests they found it funny.

If the artist's acknowledged it, that reinforces the case for keeping it, imo

Here's the link to the post where they mentioned it if you want to include it: https://www.instagram.com/p/C64dOdhNtw9/

I guess the Number of the Beast Hilarious can stay. The others are weak.

Regarding the Kingdom Hearts III example, something that I remembered is that the sneeze status effect is most prominent in Corona (it's used by the miniboss Chief Puff and the end boss Grim Guardianess), so it's most likely that a player would only wear the Mask Rosette during that part of the game.

Found this on YMMV.The Kings Man:

• Hilarious in Hindsight: It can be amusing to realize that the two members of the Flock who survive and meet Hitler are played by Daniel Brühl and August Diehl, who you might recall from a certain film where they both played Nazi villains (Frederick Zoller and Major Dieter Hellstrom, respectively). It's enough to make you wonder if the Basterds would have been Statesmen!

I seem to recall that this film was released after Inglourious Basterds, so there's no hindsight here. Would it be okay to remove this?

Yes.

YMMV.My Little Pony Nakama Is Magic

• Hilarious in Hindsight: Tama in the English dub of One Piece calls Luffy "Big Bro Luffy", just like Spike.

I PM'd the troper who added it that Hindsight only applies to/goes under the earlier work made this, not causing it. They replied that this fic came out before that point in the dub so not misuse, the replied separately that they realized it's misuse as Hindsight requires it be a prediction.

This is the first I've heard of the prediction criteria, does it require that? And is this a valid Hindsight example or not?