Edit: I've created the index. So far I've added only those pages that have mandatory waiting periods already in effect.
It's been brought up in a few places recently (most notably in this ATT thread
) that we have a few tropes / Audience Reactions / etc. that have mandatory waiting periods before being added. The suggestion has been made— which I tend to agree with— that some sort of index to keep track of which tropes have waiting periods and what those periods are would be helpful.
Besides what's already on the index, we've got:
- Specific Mandatory Waiting Period Suggested:
- Critical Dissonance - Brought up here as being too early to call on release weekend. Fighteer suggests a one-month mandatory waiting period on all similar "reception tropes."
- Overshadowed by Controversy - a 6-month mandatory waiting period has been suggested but not agreed upon yet
- The Scrappy - Due to its close association with Base-Breaking Character and its status as a complaining magnet, has been suggested for a 6-month waiting period in this thread.
- Critical Dissonance - Brought up here
- No specific waiting period has been suggested, but adding it too early has caused problems:
- Eight Deadly Words - It was suggested here that the below should apply to this as well
- So Bad, It's Good - Fighteer noted here that the weekend of release was too early to apply tropes like these
- So Okay, It's Average - see above
- Eight Deadly Words - It was suggested here
Template tag for work pages:
%% Per Administrivia/NoRecentExamplesPlease, do not add [Trope] until [X] months/days/weeks after the episode's release (Month Date, Year).
Use this date calculator to add the amount of months/days/weeks in accordance to No Recent Examples, Please!.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NREP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 23rd 2024 at 9:41:59 AM
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I seen it be misuse for a strange premise that might be uncomfortable for viewers.
I think there should be a one-month wait period for Audience-Alienating Premise. I think that's a good amount of time to see how well a work sold to determine if the premise alienated a potential audience or not.
As for Tough Act to Follow, we should wait at least until the work is out and see how well critics and fans rated it compared to its predecessor.
Edited by ADrago on Mar 12th 2019 at 9:20:27 AM
Tough Act to Follow is indeed when a work fails to live up to its predecessor but it's very often used for upcoming works as "This is a sequel of a popular movie, therefore there's lot of pressure and expectation" which is not the definition of the trope at all.
I'd also suggest to add Internet Backdraft to No Recent Examples, Please! because it's also very often used as "Something awful just happened in the last episode that aired five minutes ago" as opposed to concrete evidences of a massive backslash. Maybe one or two weeks.
Edited by Silverblade2 on Mar 13th 2019 at 1:41:23 PM
So far, most of the pages on the index are there because they have caused so many problems that they required a dedicated cleanup thread (or at least an ATT thread) that arrived on a mandatory waiting period as a solution.
Before adding a new page to the index, we should demonstrate that there is a problem and we're not just adding rules for the sake of rules.
Can you guys give some specific examples of bad Tough Act to Follow, Audience-Alienating Premise, and Internet Backdraft entries that could be solved by a mandatory waiting period?
Uh... I've plenty bad examples of those but I tend to delete them so....
There're also Magnificent Bastard and The Woobie (and subtropes) that also have 2 weeks waiting and their respective cleanup threads.
Edited by Silverblade2 on Mar 14th 2019 at 9:03:45 AM
Internet Backdraft is by definition abrupt, inflammatory backlash. The problem isn't jumping the gun, but a lack of objectivity on what isn't an example and no way to tell at a if it's too minor (what is the threshold?) to count.
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giving it a waiting period, but fixing it I think requires giving Internet Backdraft (which is where complaining is being dumped after other tropes were cleaned up) stricter criteria (I proposed it require a citation covering, not part of, the controversy to prove it's sufficiently widespread, but hope we can come up with something less drastic).
Still, a waiting period might help since only notable Backdraft would still be around to count.
What about It's the Same, Now It Sucks!? I've seen it used but suspect it's the opinion of one troper for an ongoing story as opposed to representative of the fanbase.
That makes a lot of sense. I think mandatory waiting periods are very seldom going to be a cure-all; they should be considered only as part of a larger cleanup effort.
Hows Only the Creator Does It Right? Should it only apply after the works is out and judged?
Crowner for Overshadowed By Controversy is at three days and is 21:0, I don't recall such a landslide vote on crowners ever. Safe to call?
Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on Mar 15th 2019 at 9:54:35 AM
Safe to call.
Berserk Button: misusing Nightmare Fuel
I think that the time restrictions on Base-Breaking Character and Broken Base should specify that they start when the controversy occurs, not when the work is released (unless the controversy started before the work's release). Like this:
- Base-Breaking Character (6 months after the character becomes divisive or the work is released, whichever happens later)
- Broken Base (6 months after the issue starts to be debated or the work is released, whichever happens later)
Thats a good idea.
Short-Term Projects herald
And in cases where the start of the arguments are hard to track?
Contains 20% less fat than the leading value brand!
Can't have a rule to cover every eventuality, but better to have an inexact rule than none at all.
I feel The Scrappy should have a six-month waiting period similar to Base-Breaking Character because people use it for knee-jerk reactions the moment a character does something controversial or add examples before the work is even released. Plus The Scrappy already has a dedicated cleanup thread.
I'd go with a shorter time limit, but it needs to have a limit of some kind.
Should it be until a given story is done to determined if a person is a scrappy?
I'll give a to The Scrappy having at least a 6 month waiting period.
Yes, we can't tell for sure if we're supposed to hate them otherwise
Scrappy 6-month waiting period. This looks like the next issue to put to a crowner. Can we do that?
About Base-Breaking Character and Broken Base. What if something happens that adds or fixes said break, does that need another 6-months to add?
I assume Win Back the Crowd needs the work to release and successfully win them back?
Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on Apr 12th 2019 at 4:35:59 AM
Short-Term Projects herald
Waiting period for The Scrappy.
Can we specify that the waiting periods do not apply to In-Universe examples on the main page?
Contains 20% less fat than the leading value brand!
Make it so.
- Meryl Streep has been viewed by some as this for standing up and applauding Roman Polanski and Woody Allen, as well as turning a blind eye to Harvey Weinstein.
- Benedict Cumberbatch proved completely unable to properly pronounce the word "penguin" in the nature documentary South Pacific, rendering it as "pengwing" or even "pengling." He noted on The Graham Norton Show that it wasn't like he was just on his own in the studio, and has no idea why no one let him know about the issue so he could work on it. His role in Penguins of Madagascar soon afterward didn't help with the jokes at all.
I get the impression that those examples are less than 25 years old. Is it ok to delete?
How sweet it is
Yep, pull. For the record regarding the latter, the documentary premiered in 2009, which is too soon.
Almost half that page is within 25 years.
Speaking of that trope, NeverLiveItDown.Sports and its subpages are at a ten month waiting period. That feels a bit arbitrary, so should we shorten/lengthen it to six months or a year to make things simpler?
What about Audience-Alienating Premise? It was decided elsewhere that it should wait until it's proven that audiences were alienated, how long a waiting period would that be? Would it very by the mediums metics (box-office, ratings, sales, ex.).