Fallout: The Amazon Series

Looking back over episode 1, it seems like Cooper and his wife were divorced, Pre-War.

Which...could mean a lot of different things.

Obviously, Cooper's daughter is alive. So how did she and Cooper get separated, for one? For another, Cooper has been cagey with how he was ghoulified—perhaps it was deliberate?

I think Cooper is blacklisted as a communist, divorced, and probably didn't even have custody when he turned against his wife for supporting the apocalypse. He may have taken her on a day not his own.

Cooper seems to be the breakout character from what I have seen online, which not surprising because I really enjoyed him and Walton Goggins is great as usual.

I'm not sure if Cooper is a Breakout Character. Breakout would imply he's a more minor side-character that's unexpectedly interesting. By contrast, Cooper is a fairly major character and I think they were expecting you to find him interesting. They were right.

"Well, Fallout 1 did try to avert that Golden Rule by adding a timer on both the Water Chip quest and killing The Master. Later Fallout games didn't so you instead get pestered by Hakunin sending a vision to pester you to finish the main quest in Fallout 2 while in 4 you get Preston."

Well, more or less, from what I've heard from peoplw who have played it, the time limit is actually generous, and as long as you don't use too much fast-travel you can complete the side quests, and still having time to save the Vault.

Fallout New Vegas is where "Sidetracked by bullshit" is most noticeable, since there is no Playable Epilogue, all the Dlcs must be completed before the final battle, and together they cover about two months.

In fact, in the forums I participate in, there are people who forget about Benny's existence and only confront him when they are level 40+.

Edited by Luisdalas on Apr 19th 2024 at 10:03:17 AM

I think there was no time limit in Fallout 2. At the very least the main quest (find the G.E.C.K. and bring it back to your village) was easy to complete fast, but I remember every "Fallout 2 walkthrough" web page told you to not pick any perks that help you travel faster or heal faster because "there is no time limit". I suspect Hakunin's visions were written before the devs decided to not implement any consequences of playing slowly.

I have just watched the series. I wonder something about vaults 31, 32 and 33. Not something you know from episode one. At some point we understand that vaults 32 and 33 are being controlled by people from vault 31. But how do they do that? Overseers in vaults 32 and 33 are all from vault 31. Is control of who is overseer the only way that vault 31 controls the other vaults? Is control of who is the oveerseer only achieved through rigging elections?

(I didn't read the whole thread so maybe that was discussed in page #17 or whatever).

Edited by gropcbf on Apr 21st 2024 at 8:51:39 PM

There was, but it was kind of superfluous in that it was about 13 years in-game time.

Edited by Chortleous on Apr 21st 2024 at 1:07:53 PM

The timer is related to the GECK.

And you will get a horrible bunch of dreams about your tribe dying unless you find it.

Vault 32 and 33 were conditioned to believe in meritocracy. People traded between Vaults are implicitly suggested to be exemplary.

I'm not sure if the vote is rigged, but considering the above and the fact that the... experience of the people from 31 it is possible they just were the qualified.

That one guy did think putting up 10 flyers was running a good campaign after all. But considering Betty still won with 98% of the vote, it's possible there could be some rigging in place as well.

I'd say it's implied there's a lot of election rigging, but there probably is an assumption that Vault 31 produces better leaders. It's probably self reinforcing, in fact: "Vault 31 guys keeps getting elected, so they must be good at leadership, so I'm going to keep voting for them".

Since the Trilogy of Vaults was Bud's idea, it seems that 32, 33, and 31 were their "ideal society."

One where there was now a permanent underclass under Vault-Tec's managers.

Also, credit where its due, in episode 1 Lucy does say "trienniel" trade.

I’ve been away for the forums for a bit. How did everyone feel about the first bomb being dropped by Vault-Tech?

We've discussed it once or twice, my opinion is:

I don't care for it, personally, but I don't think it's terrible either. Vault-Tec was already a major party to the apocalypse and basically an extension of the Enclave. They might as well be responsible for the first nuke firing.

I honestly found it pretty dumb. I know the series has condemned corporations from the very beginning, but this feels unbelievably contrived. Hell, Vault-Tec still being around and the main big bad of the setting is similarly stupid.

I remember someone, probably Nash on Twitter saying that having a confirmed aggressor in the war would take away from the overall War is Bad message.

If you want to get pedantic, it's never confirmed that Vault Tec did go through with dropping the bomb. The rest of the board even balked at the suggestion.

Edited by Spirit on Apr 23rd 2024 at 9:16:56 AM

I'll say for my part I don't think intentionally destroying the planet sounds like something a corporation would do in this context. A nuclear war would be bad for the stock market, among other things. In fact, it would quite possibly help Communism or at least severely hurt Capitalism (in fact, it seems to have done this).

Having said that, I will point out that (to my understanding) Vault-Tec and Enclave were already portrayed as having nuclear war as their plan A. This is basically the same thing as starting it. This is merely more on-the-nose.

Yeah but it does fit into the idea of "elites want a great reset so they can rule as god-kings in the aftermath".

A concept that goes as far back as Plato with his Philosopher-Kings and as recent as Elon Musk's... entire Twitter feed.

I mean, Atlas Shrugged is all about how the Apocalypse is the best thing that could happen to capitalism.

You know, the Bible of conservatives.

Anyone else think The Ghoul’s wife is alive somewhere through cryogenic freezing and she has their daughter?

I would say that this is likely if a sequel happens.

On the vote fixing question, I don't think it's actual vote fixing, it's creation of a crisis which either the people from 31 actually can solve, or the people from the other vaults think they can. After all, "when things look glum, vote 31."They hint at this with the water chip issue...but then it just disappears? It may come back next season...

I believe it's confirmed to be renewed. Given his final lines, it seems extremely likely that at least some member of his family is still alive...somehow. Though there's a lot of options.

You mean a season two? They already announced one.

Wait. Yeah he said it. But yes, the major outlets have confirmed one.

Think they’ll switch to a weekly release for season 2?

Edited by BigBadShadow25 on Apr 24th 2024 at 7:56:01 AM

i have to ask, why are fallout fans specifically the most angry and anal about canon? the only other franchise i can think of that generates such ill will is Star Wars, and that's partially because it's been popular for decades

this is a series that couldnt decide if deathclaws talked (despite a deathclaw being a party member in Fallout 2) and where fans fought each other on fallout 2 being too jokey

it's like i time travelled to Hbomberguy's annoying essay on how Fallout 3 sucks because it doesn't have crops

Edited by MsOranjeDiscoDancer on Apr 24th 2024 at 5:35:14 AM