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Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM
I thought it was Mike Costa who depowered Andi? He gave the Mania symbiote to Lee Price.
Edited by Cortez on May 3rd 2024 at 7:11:30 AM
Patrick's death did seem pretty spiteful. It wasn't even on-panel, Remender just said in an interview that Blackheart drowned him in a rain gutter.
Marvel and DC seem to have dialed back their "more deaths = better" phase in recent years, though. Heck, there was a recent DC story that revealed that several young children of superheroes who were supposedly killed to provide angst for their parents never died at all. You could tell the writers were really sorry.
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It's less that the writers were really sorry and more that the assholes behind such stories - such as Dan DiDio and his cronies - have begun being pushed out of both companies, so there's no longer these dickish figures hanging over writers and either pushing them to be edgy or giving special treatment to writers who tell them what they want to hear. Though some of it is also writers who were edgelords when they were younger to try and fit in with said crowd growing up and trying to get away from that kinda shit. Like how Mark Millar has apparently being getting a lot less over-the-top bleak with his comics as he's gotten older, to the point that one he did - Huck - was prompted by him being disgusted by "Superman but evil/edgy" takes.
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I remember hearing Andi had to be forcibly retired before being killed off.
I guess Price stealing her symbiote is the execution of that.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Frank Miller also said he deeply regrets his "far-right edgelord" phase. Was rooted in PTSD from 9/11, according to him.
You never really know what motivates certain writers to put certain things in their stories.
Edited by HamburgerTime on May 3rd 2024 at 6:33:37 AM
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I'm still a little sore about Andi losing the Scream symbiote, as that's like the third most popular symbiote, and she was the only big female symbiote host. Also, Scream's one of the OG symbiotes, and the series with Scream and Andi actually gave Scream a bit of personality, which should be the point of symbiote stories, two beings sharing one body and working together. A symbiote isn't just a facing suit that gives you superpowers.
Edited by GateStarX on May 3rd 2024 at 4:44:19 AM
It's gonna be fun on the bun!
Yeah, that's why a lot of people go a lot easier on Miller nowadays than they did in the 2000s and New 10s. To be specific, he was living in New York when 9/11 happened and personally witnessed it, leaving him with crippling PTSD which led to a spiral into depression and alcoholism that caused his writing and art to suffer terribly, as well as him to start spewing a lot of horrid bullshit bordering on bigotry. He's been on the road to recovery for a long while now and is still clearly grappling with a lot.
In all honesty, people should've probably picked up on that sooner, given Miller's Pre-9/11 writing was radically different from stuff like ASSBAR or Holy Terror in terms of style, themes, and general content. On a larger level, read anything by Miller prior to his depression era and you'll note he was center-to-left-leaning politically, making his reputation as a "far-right" writer kinda odd in hindsight. Like, seriously, nobody questioned why he was going from shitting on Ronald Reagan to wanting to write Batman killing Muslims?
Edited by immortaleditor on May 3rd 2024 at 4:49:03 AM
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Also, since Patrick's probably going to be Toxin in the third Venom movie, someone could retcon his and his families' death, especially since Toxin is a recurring character in Venom (2021) and Patrick died off-screen. Hell it's not even that hard to retcon, as demons tend to lie.
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"That mini both bombed and was panned" The big villain was Razorfist, the dude with knives for hands who regularly gets his ass kicked by Shang-Chi. That was the guy we were supposed to take seriously as a threat to a symbiote. So, yeah, it was a weird story.
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And it could be written as Patrick faking his death.
Edited by Cortez on May 3rd 2024 at 8:15:21 AM
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Even worse is that Silence has been a nothingburger so far.
Carnage's hive never amounted to anything, so the Life Foundation symbiotes are just kinda in limbo right now. And Silence's big moment outside her debut issue was to throw hands with Carnage...in the middle of his anime training arc, so he was of course immune to anti-symbiote powers at the time.
It's not even clear if Silence is an actual symbiote with a consciousness or a braindead symbiote a la the original Anti-Venom, so all that happened is that Andi lost a second voice to bounce off of.
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Toxin has a pretty decent. I like it when symbiotes try to be creative with their stylings growing from the base of Venom's black & muscular and Carnage's red & skinny.
Toxin has a unique two-tone look, his upper body being orange while his lower body is like a darker blue. His middle section has a visceral covered in tendrils look, and his face makes him look like a demented Spider-Man.
SO he looks fairly distinct from his father and grandfather.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
I did really like Toxin's design. But yeah, I gotta agree that his mini was pretty uneven. It had some brilliant ideas here and there, but ultimately didn't do it's cool premise very well.
Jon Haward, UK comics artist who drew many issues of the UK exclusive Panini Spider-Man comics amongst other titles like 20000 AD, has died aged just 58. You can check out some of his Spidey artwork in the obituary.
One of them involves a big battle inside Mephisto's realm with Spidey and several Marvel heroes. I wonder what year that was published?
Edited by Zarius on May 5th 2024 at 12:08:59 PM
Damn, dude, that's way too young. I hope his family grieves well and that he rests in peace.
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The true difference between Miles and most other versions of Spider-man.
The nail that sticks out gets hammered down.![[lol]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/lol2v12_4863.png "[lol]"){kind=small}
Context: The dude acting as Miles mentioned he has both a father (depending on the version) and a mother. A riot ensued via jealous Spider-People.
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Miles's mom was dead for a while.
I love the one guy in the background who is a dead ringer for Andrew Garfield.
"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
Not much goes on in ASM this week, but a response from Lowe in the letters pages does indicate that The Jackpot thing is going away
Edited by Zarius on May 7th 2024 at 12:00:02 PM
Team Rocket Boss.
Face it writers, this was a dumb idea from the start.
I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.I guess readers just prefer MJ as a supermodel rather than a superhero.
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Really not every supporting character should be a hero.
It’s already an issue with Spider-Man especially in adaptations like the Ultimate Spider-Man and Marvel’s Spider-Man cartoons constantly surrounding him with superhumans and spider-people.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Team Rocket Boss.
I like Spinneret. The problem is that Jackpot is just such a lame concept and her powers are vague as shit. Seriously, the writers keep milking that one line.
Plus she's hanging out with Paul for most of this story, and I don't think fans enjoy that for obvious reasons.
I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.
Yeah, that's a thing that's always infuriating about that kind of "cull the characters the editors didn't grow up with" bullshit. They can't just shunt the characters off into limbo, they feel the need to kill them off in mean-spirited ways while whining about them not being "real" in comparison to the editors' preferred characters.