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openTrying to fact-check an entry that might need to be removed
So, the page for South Park Imaginationland has a list of characters from other works who appear in Imaginationland. On this list is an entry for Pat the Hammer from Handy Manny.
The thing is, while there is an Animate Inanimate Object hammer seen in Imaginationland, it doesn't look like Pat (who has a fairly distinctive blue color scheme), and its voice doesn't sound like Pat's either. Is there any official source that says this random hammer is actually supposed to be Pat, or is that entry on the list just some troper's random theory that they proclaimed as gospel?
openHindsight misuse or not, needs prediction?
YMMV.My Little Pony Nakama Is Magic
- Hilarious in Hindsight: Tama in the English dub of One Piece calls Luffy "Big Bro Luffy", just like Spike.
I PM'd the troper who added it that Hindsight only applies to/goes under the earlier work made this, not causing it. They replied that this fic came out before that point in the dub so not misuse, the replied separately that they realized it's misuse as Hindsight requires it be a prediction.
This is the first I've heard of the prediction criteria, does it require that? And is this a valid Hindsight example or not?
resolved Possible edit war
On YMMV.Touken Ranbu Warriors (and it's previous name Touken Ranbu Musuo):
- Troper biggestSoap added an Esoteric Happy Ending entry on its previous name before I moved it.
- I removed it, citing this comment on the "Is this an Example" thread".
- Soap added it again (albeit rewritten) on the new named page.
I'm not sure if edit warring counts when a page is moved from its original language title to one that is officially localized so I wish to know.
Edited by Ayumi-chanopenUse of gendered character trope names
I might need a refresher on the rules about the gendered versions of character tropes and a link towards any official place on which they are spelled out.
My current understanding is that we always use the official title in example lists and only adapt to the character's gender if the trope name is used within example text. If that understanding is correct, someone editing the same pages as me might need a PM linking to a on official-ish place where the rules is spelled out. If I'm wrong, I need to change my own behavior.
Edited by NazetrimeopenEdit war on "Deadpool and Wolverine"
On YMMV.Deadpool And Wolverine, bud0011 added this example on April 24, 2024:
- Crosses the Line Twice: Giant Man's Skull being used as a base on its own works as Body Horror, but if you combine it with Paul Rudd's memetic The Ageless-ness, it becomes Black Comedy that something eventually did him in.
I removed it a few days later, citing discussion here.
On May 12, bud0011 readded it, unchanged, with the edit reason being a link to a clip from the movie of Deadpool essentially making the same joke.
While I do believe the example could now stay if rewritten to be about Deadpool's quip and not a version of Fridge Brilliance, it's still an edit war, as it appears to have been readded without discussion.
Edited by MisterApes-a-lotopenWanting to avoid an edit war Videogame
On Unicorn Overlord:
- Lord Twibill made an edit to the beginning to the page that contained a Sinkhole.
- I removed citing it to be a sinkhole.
- Smeagol 17 partly restored it citing "it is not wrong. the game is both".
I understand that the game is an RTS game but I do think the linking is a bit reductive. However, in the interest of avoiding an edit war, I want to ask here what to do before I make any edits.
openAbout uploading reprise videos...
If you upload the full video for one song, is it okay to include the same video (or part of it) if you upload an example for Triumphant Reprise?
Example: "When Love is Gone" for Break Up Song and "When Love is Gone & Found" for Triumphant Reprise.
Edited by TrendingToon1resolved TRS crowner
There is an active crowner for She Is All Grown Up at the Trope Repair Shop. Click here if you want to join the discussion.
openConcerning Fridge Horror Removals on BJF
I noticed that in the Fridge page for Become Jehovah's Friend, tarponpet removed an entry on Fridge Brilliance and the entirety of the Fridge Horror section.
While their reasoning makes sense for the Fridge Brilliance entry, it doesn't really explain the removal of the entire Fridge Horror section, which from what I've heard about the show (and to an extent JW as a whole) has valid concerns.
Would it be alright for me to restore?
Edit: fixed typing errors and specified which page.
Edited by RedBerryBlueCherryopenSEED Freedom edit war
drillizer added several Ass Pull entries to YMMV.Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Freedom that Omega Nemesis 13 removed. This one in particular:
- The existence of Spec II versions of the Strike Freedom, Destiny, Infinite Justice, and Impulse. That 3 out of 4 just so happen to have been made in secret for testing purposes and without the knowledge of anyone else, revealed just in time for their counterattack against Foundation is a bit of a stretch. The IJ makes a little sense at least considering that machine wasn't destroyed at the end of Destiny or before this movie, but it's still too convenient that the rest just exist.
It was removed citing that repairing/upgraded machines to keep in cause of major conflict was what they did the prior series, so it has enough precedent to not come out of nowhere. But drillizer added this back without edit reason.
- The Spec II machines in general. Minus the Infinite Justice, the Impulse, Destiny, and Strike Freedom were all damaged beyond repair; it's incredibly convenient that the latter three machines were rebuilt from the ground up in complete secrecy and were ready for a large-scale conflict, complete with a full-on Silhouette for the Destiny in particular, in time for a major conflict. The IJ in particular makes sense because it could easily be an upgraded version of the original and was already hiding inside the Z'gok (Both of which share the backpack), but having war machines that single-handedly determined wars being rebuilt solely for "testing" when nuclear powered suits were supposed to have been banned, yet still just as strong, if not moreso, than they were first fielded, is a stretch even for Rule of Cool to waive away easily.
Besides failing to address the reasons for removal, the added point of violating the ban on nuclear power also applies to the last series repaired/upgraded machines so not unpredicted.
drillizer's other edits to the page are complainy enough, including adding "Could Have Avoided This!" Plot I removed as not YMMV and objectively misuse (lacking in-work acknowledgment), that I intend to take them to dedicated cleanup. But combine with the edit warring it's enough of a concern I'm taking it here.
Edited by Ferot_DreadnaughtopenOverboarding promotional material in the work description
At the bottom of the description for Godzilla Minus One, there's a long list of video material for the movie. Does this feel appropriate? What about moving the list into a single line of text?
Promotional materials:
- Official Japanese Website
- First Teaser Trailer
- Second Teaser Trailer
- Official Trailer
- Official Trailer 2
- Final Trailer
- Godzilla Minus One/C (Japanese version)
- Godzilla Minus One/C (English)
openMemetic Loser misuse and formatting.
Biohazard 2035 added this to YMMV.My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic:
- Memetic Loser: The Alicorn Princess who are not Twilight Sparkle (and by extension Flurry Heart, as she is just a baby and not even capable of being aware of her full surroundings) get this to a degree, due to often suffering *The Worf Effect by getting easily knocked out or defeated by whatever villain or big threat is showing up, especially in the two partner episode. Its to the point their power is nearly an *Informed Attribute. Despite this, they do get some moments to prove their power and accomplish things, although often only after being saved by the Mane 6 or others first.
- Princess Celestia gets this worse of the other Alicorns. She has gotten hit with *The Worf Effect the most, having usually been the first to fall to whatever villain it is she faced. Just about everytime she intervenes directly, she gets easily beaten (of note against Nightmare Moon in the present, Queen Chrystalis, and even Cozy Glow, a child, at one point, among many other times). This and her tendency to sit on the sidelines and do nothing but give vague advice during certain threats(depending on the episode) has landed her with a reputation as a pushover whose existence is mainly to serve as canon fodder or even a *Red Shirt to demonstrate the power of whatever villain needs establishing. Even taking into account her feats of magic and victories in-universe prior to the series, her track record on-screen left much to be desired.
Besides them having formatting problems I've brought up earlier, these entries are similar to what prior ATT argreed to cut as just canon losses, not how fans exaggerate them. While this is slightly better about how exaggerated, it still states those canon mitigations are not enough/Informed Attributes so legit complaints not fan exaggerations. Also fans dislike/reject these moments as part of their fanon portrayal as opposed to let it influence them to portray them as even bigger losers in fanworks so I think misuse there.
Permission to cut?
Edited by Ferot_DreadnaughtopenBonus/special edition tracks on an album
If an album has a bonus track or other song only included on certain editions of an album (e.g. a special/deluxe edition), how should that be included in the "Tracklist" section of the album's work page?
I'm working on a page for an album that has a track that's only included on certain versions, such as some later remasters and the Japanese release, but I'm not sure how to list that. At first, I thought of having a note by the last track of the album which says "Some versions of the album contain an additional track known as "Song Title" (Length)" when clicked on, but I'm not sure if that's the correct formatting.
Edited by punkcrowresolved kkj12345 = Canine99 and Superherofanatic1999?
As mentioned here, a troper named Canine 99 was suspended for bashing people in the Choices: Stories You Play fandom. I have a suspicion that kkj12345 may be them ban evading. Both tropers frequently edit(ed) pages (more often than not, YMMV and Trivia pages) regarding Choices books, often with a negative tone, and they both have/had a tendency to add Fan Nicknames that only they used (and sometimes, they fell into "Detractor Nickname" territory, despite them not being allowed anymore). The former troper was suspended in 2019 (and apparently ban evaded once already as Superherofanatic 1999 later the same year), while the latter troper began editing in Spring 2021. This page (specifically, regarding the same Fan Nickname entry) all but confirms my suspicions.
Edited by UFOYeahopenMebrouk
Mebrouk has been on the wiki for about a year, but recently attracted some attention by adding a (now yoinked) image to Your Terrorists Are Our Freedom Fighters. Given the page's subject matter, you can guess what sort of conflict the image was referencing. Well, they were sent a notifier for it, but I'm concerned that this may not be enough. Their other edits are all also very political and have been that way since the very beginning.
Animation.The Child And The Invader is a page made and only edited by them. For the most part it squeaks by, but there's a repeated use of the word "Zionist".
They added weirdly political natter on the trivia page of the Barbie Movie.
Finally, the one that made me make this report was another edit made just today on UsefulNotes.Javier Milei, which reads:
And then they edited it to add an Axe-Crazy pothole (a NRLEP trope).
They also seem to have bad grammar, capitalizing words like "They" every time and sometimes forgetting punctuation.
resolved Page to cut, misuse.
UnintentionalUncannyValley.Fan Works and UnintentionalUncannyValley.Tabletop Games were removed from Unintentional Uncanny Valley as all examples were intentional and moved to Uncanny Valley.
Is there a reason the pages were not cut or should they be.
resolved Franchises Across Multiple Media Categories
I launched Melting Pot Sci-Fi Setting yesterday. During TLP I arranged the Star Trek and Star Wars examples into their own Franchise folders. I did this because these are media Franchises with shared lore that all rely on the trope, so scattering be between different media categories makes things hard to follow.
During the TLP there was discussion about me initially alphabetizing this incorrectly but nobody seemed to mind me keeping the Franchises together: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/discussion.php?id=6i0kr1c7noxf5im7knrfo4op
However ~Nejiiuyn has edited the page and split them up and now it's confusing:
I don't want to just reverse this as I'd be edit warring but I did want to bring it here for discussion.
openTwoferTokenMinority parameters
For Twofer Token Minority, does "minority" mean:
- minority amongst the characters in the show
- minority amongst the assumed demographics of the setting
Like does gay count as a minority trait if it's a Cast Full of Gay show? I thought that Token Minority dealt with handling, which would suggest #1?
Specifically asking because I think Louis in Interview with the Vampire (2022) is not a Twofer Token Minority. He's gay, but nearly all the main characters in the show are gay and bi men, so he's not a token. But I'd like to get a second opinion before I make the edit.
Edited by Eievie
A lot of new Web Animations added here are one-shot manga anthologies featuring the same main characters in different situations. I'm talking AoHaru Manga Library, Manga Soprano, ATTAC Kon MIKA, things like that. If Object Shows already has its own page with a list of examples, why shouldn't these manga anthologies get one?
Edited by Eris250