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RainehDaze Figure of Hourai from Scotland (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: Serial head-patter
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#10076: Apr 29th 2024 at 12:27:38 PM

Having a smaller keyboard doesn't give me more mouse space (or wouldn't, regardless), so I don't think that's a particularly big motivator for me. Plus, if my mouse space is constrained by the keyboard, I'd rather address the cause than limit actual functionality...

I do find it weird when it's the full 60% "I don't want function keys either" approach, I know it's not as much of a problem nowadays as it could be, but that's like... a lot of things that occasionally come up and then you need to go find the option manually. Seems infuriating.

Edited by RainehDaze on Apr 29th 2024 at 8:28:22 PM

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PointMaid Since: Jun, 2014
#10077: Apr 29th 2024 at 12:49:22 PM

As I think I've mentioned before, I like small keyboards because my fingers are short and my hands are tiny like the rest of me XD Large keyboards are not ergonomic at all for me. And I mostly need it for typing text. Function keys are good, though. I really like the keyboard on my little mac laptop because of all that, TBH. But I have particular requirements that don't hold true for many others, as I said.

RainehDaze Figure of Hourai from Scotland (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: Serial head-patter
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#10078: Apr 29th 2024 at 12:57:26 PM

Yeah, but you're thinking about inter-key spacing and key size, there, not the number of keys on the keyboard, which makes it a different question entirely. [lol]

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RainingMetal Since: Jan, 2010
#10079: Apr 29th 2024 at 12:59:32 PM

As someone who actually uses the number pad to type numbers in abundance, the very thought of cutting it out or even reducing the size of the 0 key is absolute blasphemy.

terumokou Pitiable and Illegally Dumped Object from In a bamboo forest full of bunnies, California Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Mu
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#10080: Apr 29th 2024 at 1:27:15 PM

Again, it's all personal preference.

Plus, I can always either get myself a numpad or switched to my full sized Ducky if I need it. Keyboard hobbying is expensive but incredibly custom.

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Cibryll Leonardo da Vinci from Frost Heraldry (she/her) Since: Feb, 2022 Relationship Status: Squeeeeeeeeeeeee!
#10081: Apr 29th 2024 at 2:07:15 PM

Does make me wonder how keyboards lacking the numerical keypad would allow one to type characters like é and ¾ and ♥ and ≈ and ♪ and other Unicode stuff if they can't do the Alt+(numpad) thing.

Outside of copying and pasting, I mean.

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DeMarquis Since: Feb, 2010
#10082: Apr 29th 2024 at 2:25:28 PM

What are the standard inter-key spacing and key sizes?

RainehDaze Figure of Hourai from Scotland (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: Serial head-patter
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#10083: Apr 29th 2024 at 2:39:44 PM

Probably whatever you're looking at right now, even laptops tend to shy away from crimping the main keys unless they're netbooks or something. I think it's been basically the exact same... more or less forever, we'd probably be looking at typewriters for the origin.

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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#10084: Apr 29th 2024 at 2:53:31 PM

As far as diacritics go, using shift + ", ', `, or ~, followed by the letter you want the diacritic on will work in modern text editors like Word and this wiki.

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RainehDaze Figure of Hourai from Scotland (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: Serial head-patter
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#10085: Apr 29th 2024 at 3:05:02 PM

It all depends on locale settings and OS, soooooooo...

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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#10086: Apr 29th 2024 at 3:24:44 PM

Oh, right, so that works for Windows P Cs with a US English keyboard layout, in any case.

Edited by Redmess on Apr 29th 2024 at 12:25:05 PM

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RainingMetal Since: Jan, 2010
#10087: Apr 29th 2024 at 3:42:09 PM

I'll never understand the idea of coming up with the ISO keyboard layout over the clearly superior ANSI layout.

For reference, the big difference between ANSI and ISO is the position of the "" key (above the Enter key in ANSI, right of the right shift key and left of the Z key in ISO). I absolutely cannot fathom how anyone needs the "" key so close as to obstruct the left shift key so badly, and I don't know how the typing of many European accented characters fits in with this design change specifically.

Though looking back my pinky does manage to stretch further than it used to, but I was so upset at having to use those damnable ISO keyboards in high school, with my pinky not stretching out that much at the time. It's like the MadCatz of keyboard designs.

Edited by RainingMetal on Apr 29th 2024 at 6:44:39 AM

RainehDaze Figure of Hourai from Scotland (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: Serial head-patter
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#10088: Apr 29th 2024 at 4:09:55 PM

I've mostly being using an ANSI layout for authenticity and having more keys (it gives an easy place to slot in a Fn key), but the swapped @ and " between the US and UK layouts does occasionally catch me out if I'm not paying attention. The one benefit of using a macbook for work is that it also does this even when it's a UK keyboard because... just Apple being Apple, for whatever reason.

Although, that's not quite the ISO layout.

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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#10089: Apr 29th 2024 at 4:31:50 PM

Honestly, I don't get why you'd need the @ that close at hand, anyway. You use quotation marks way more often, so putting that next to the main row just makes sense to me.

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RainingMetal Since: Jan, 2010
#10090: Apr 29th 2024 at 4:33:16 PM

The characters ' and " being so similar is probably why this is so on a US keyboard, though I agree that " would be used more often than @. Certainly not as heinous as an entire key obstructing another with the latter being used far more often.

RainehDaze Figure of Hourai from Scotland (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: Serial head-patter
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#10091: Apr 29th 2024 at 4:35:15 PM

Honestly, I don't get why you'd need the @ that close at hand, anyway. You use quotation marks way more often, so putting that next to the main row just makes sense to me.

Maybe, but shift + ' IS a rather specific movement. Shift + 2 is way more permissive fingering.

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tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
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#10092: Apr 30th 2024 at 10:34:34 PM

A week late to the party, but Windows 10 will have support ending on October 14, 2025, current version will be the last but will still have monthly security updates until then, Windows is also charging organizations out the ass for individual devices, likely as a way of getting them on 11.

Edited by tclittle on Apr 30th 2024 at 12:37:33 PM

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luisedgarf from Mexico Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
#10093: May 1st 2024 at 11:52:07 PM

Does somebody knows a good Windows program for creating relationship charts with ease? I tried with some chart programs, but they are very tiresome to use since they weren't made for such job.

rmctagg09 The Wanderer from Brooklyn, NY (USA) (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
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#10094: May 2nd 2024 at 12:26:42 AM

Does make me wonder how keyboards lacking the numerical keypad would allow one to type characters like é and ¾ and ♥ and ≈ and ♪ and other Unicode stuff if they can't do the Alt+(numpad) thing.

If you do the Windows button + . it'll open the Emoji toolbar and those can be found under Symbols, I've been using that a lot since my current laptop lacks a numpad.

Edited by rmctagg09 on May 2nd 2024 at 3:27:00 PM

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Chariot King of Anime Since: Jul, 2014
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#10095: May 2nd 2024 at 6:48:35 AM

Anyone got any laptop recommendations? I've had my current one sense 2021 but it's been having problems for awhile (Albeit relatively minor ones in the grand scheme of things.) and lately after awhile of use the fan will come on and stay on until I put it into hibernate/stop using it. I'm thinking it's time to get a replacement. That being said, I'd love some recommendations. My only real requirements (At the moment atleast.) are no Macs since Windows is my OS of choice and I like the familiarity and that it's not made by HP (Or any other company that supports/backs Israel to be honest. If there's not a lot of options I guess I'll have to make due.). The more storage available the better as well though it's not as important as the other requirements.

DeMarquis Since: Feb, 2010
#10096: May 2nd 2024 at 8:28:16 AM

What's a relationship chart?

megarockman from Sixth Borough Since: Apr, 2010
#10097: May 2nd 2024 at 10:25:48 AM

[up]Diagram to illustrate relations between multiple parties. Love Chart for a fictional cast is one type, but can also be used for things like multilateral diplomacy.

VampireBuddha Calendar enthusiast from Ireland (Wise, aged troper) Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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#10098: May 2nd 2024 at 11:00:28 AM

Here's how I type weird characters.

Where possible, I used the AltGr method, because it's easier. However, I used the CloGaelach keyboard layout, which apparently isn't standard (and might be Unixoid-only, as a bunch of these don't work on the Windows PC I have to use at work).

Most people are aware that holding down the Shift key while pressing a key will result in a different character; for example, pressing ! gives !.

The AltGr key functions similarly; in many cases, holding down AltGr and pressing another key results in a character nor normally shown on the keyboard. For example, pressing AltGr+1 gives ¡. AltGr and Shift in conjunction can yield even more characters; for example, AltGr+Shift+1 gives ¹. In some cases, however, holding down AltGr and pressing a key does not input a character, but rather modifies the next character to be entered. For example, AltGr+w will put a dot on top of the next letter, so pressing AltGr+w and then pressing r yields ṙ. This functionality is technically known as a dead key; the term goes back to typewriters, where a dead key was one that would not advance the paper after being pressed.

For those characters that don't have an AltGr combination, I use a Compose key. Dedicated Compose keys were not uncommon on keyboards in the 1980s, but are rare nowadays; it is more common to assign another key to function as Compose. Scroll Lock and Pause/Break are good choices, since they are not used for anything else; this is why I live having a 105-key keyboard. On Linux and BSD, the Compose key is set from within the Settings section of your desktop environment; I believe MS Windows requires a third-party programme. Compose is a type of dead key that turns the next button pressed into another dead key; it may also be thought of as signifying that the next sequence of keypresses should be read as encoding a single character. And yes, Compose can interact with Shift and AltGr as well. In most cases, the characters following Compose can be entered in any order; for example, Compose,o,/ and Compose,/,o will both result in ø. For the rest of this post, Compose will be represented as Comp.

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Several entire letters are hidden on the Irish keyboard, as well as a good number of alternate forms and ligatures.

Alternate forms

CharacterAltGr methodComp method
ɼAltGr+r 
ſAltGr+zComp,f,s
AltGr+SComp,.,AltGr+z

Non-English letters

These are letters that are not normally used when writing in English. Characters such as å and ø will be shown later, in the relevant diacritic sections. Sorry Scandinavians.

CharacterAltGr methodComp method
ð Comp,d,h
РComp,D,H
ə Comp,e,e
µ Comp,m,u
Comp,/,u
ĸ Comp,k,k
ŋ Comp,n,g
ßAltGr+`Comp,s,s
 Comp,S,S
þ Comp,t,h
Þ Comp,T,H

Ligatures

CharacterAltGr methodComp method
æAltGr+'Comp,a,e
ÆAltGr+'Comp,A,E
 Comp,f,f
 Comp,f,i
 Comp,F,i
 Comp,f,l
 Comp,F,l
ij Comp,i,j
IJ Comp,I,J
œAltGr+qComp,o,e
ŒAltGr+QComp,O,E

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Fada (acute accent)

A fada can be added to most letters by first pressing Comp and then ' (apostrophe). In the case of the vowels, they can more easily have a fada applied by holding own AltGr as they are entered; this method will be more familiar to Irish people.

CharacterAltGr methodComp method
´AltGr+l 
áAltGr+aComp,',a
ÁAltGr+AComp,',A
ć Comp,',c
Ć Comp,',>
éAltGr+eComp,',e
ÉAltGr+eComp,',E
ǵ Comp,',g
Ǵ Comp,',G
íAltGr+iComp,',i
ÍAltGr+IComp,',I
 Comp,',k
ĺ Comp,',l
Ĺ Comp,',>
ḿ Comp,',m
 Comp,',M
ń Comp,',n
Ń Comp,',N
óAltGr+oComp,',o
ÓAltGr+OComp,',O
 Comp,',p
 Comp,',P
ŕ Comp,',r
Ŕ Comp,',R
ś Comp,',s
Ś Comp,',S
úAltGr+uComp,',u
ÚAltGr+UComp,',U
 Comp,',w
 Comp,',W
ý Comp,',y
Ý Comp,',Y
ź Comp,',z
Ź Comp,',Z
ǽ Comp,',AltGr+'
Ǽ Comp,',AltGr+>

Overdot

Many letters can take a dot on top, and there are a few ways to accomplish this. AltGr+h and AltGr+w function as dead keys that will put a dot on whatever letter comes next. The same can be accomplished with Comp,.. In the case of some consonants, it can be done more quickly by instead holding down AltGr while pressing the key. In the case of the lowercase letters i and j, the H, W, and Comp methods will remove the dot, which is useful for Turkish spellings; dotless ı can also be accomplished by entering AltGr+j.

(In modern Irish, a h after a consonant indicates it is lenitised, but in traditional orthography, this change was accomplished with a dot. The dot was replaced by a h because typewriters couldn't input the dot, but since modern text editors and word processors can do so easily, perhaps it's time to return to traditional orthography).

CharacterAltGr methodComp methodH methodW method
ȧ Comp,.,aAltGr+h, aAltGr+w, a
Ȧ Comp,.,AAltGr+h, AAltGr+w, A
AltGr+bComp,.,bAltGr+h, bAltGr+w, b
AltGr+BComp,.,BAltGr+h, BAltGr+w, B
ċAltGr+cComp,.,cAltGr+h, cAltGr+w, c
ĊAltGr+CComp,.,CAltGr+h, CAltGr+w, C
AltGr+dComp,.,dAltGr+h, dAltGr+w, d
AltGr+dComp,.,DAltGr+h, DAltGr+w, D
ė Comp,.,eAltGr+h, eAltGr+w, e
Ė Comp,.,EAltGr+h, EAltGr+w, E
AltGr+fComp,.,fAltGr+h, fAltGr+w, f
AltGr+fComp,.,FAltGr+h, FAltGr+w, F
ġAltGr+gComp,.,gAltGr+h, gAltGr+w, g
ĠAltGr+GComp,.,GAltGr+h, GAltGr+w, G
 Comp,.,hAltGr+h, hAltGr+w, h
 Comp,.,HAltGr+h, HAltGr+w, H
ıAltGr+jComp,.,iAltGr+h, iAltGr+w, i
İ Comp,.,IAltGr+h, IAltGr+w, I
ȷ  AltGr+h, jAltGr+w, j
̇k  AltGr+h, kAltGr+w, k
̇K  AltGr+h, KAltGr+w, K
ŀ  AltGr+h, lAltGr+w, l
Ŀ  AltGr+h, LAltGr+w, L
AltGr+mComp,.,mAltGr+h, mAltGr+w, m
AltGr+MComp,.,MAltGr+h, MAltGr+w, M
 Comp,.,nAltGr+h, nAltGr+w, n
 Comp,.,NAltGr+h, NAltGr+w, N
ȯ Comp,.,oAltGr+h, oAltGr+w, o
Ȯ Comp,.,OAltGr+h, OAltGr+w, O
 Comp,.,pAltGr+h, pAltGr+w, p
 Comp,.,PAltGr+h, PAltGr+w, P
̇q  AltGr+h, qAltGr+w, q
̇Q  AltGr+h, QAltGr+w, Q
 Comp,.,rAltGr+h, rAltGr+w, r
 Comp,.,RAltGr+h, RAltGr+w, R
 Comp,.,sAltGr+h, sAltGr+w, s
 Comp,.,SAltGr+h, SAltGr+w, S
 Comp,.,tAltGr+h, tAltGr+w, t
 Comp,.,TAltGr+h, TAltGr+w, T
̇u  AltGr+h, uAltGr+w, u
̇U  AltGr+h, UAltGr+w, U
̇v  AltGr+h, vAltGr+w, v
̇V  AltGr+h, VAltGr+w, V
 Comp,.,AltGr+h, wAltGr+w, w
 Comp,.,WAltGr+h, WAltGr+w, W
 Comp,.,xAltGr+h, xAltGr+w, x
 Comp,.,XAltGr+h, XAltGr+w, X
 Comp,.,yAltGr+h, yAltGr+w, y
 Comp,.,YAltGr+h, YAltGr+w, Y
ż Comp,.,zAltGr+h, zAltGr+w, z
Ż Comp,.,ZAltGr+h, ZAltGr+w, Z

Grave accent

The grave accent fills the role of the fada in Gaelic, and is also part of French, though I've never been able to figure out what it actually does. It is also used to indicate tone in the romanisation of Chinese. It can be input with either AltGr+ or Comp and ` (the key beside 1); either of these works as a dead key.

CharacterAltGr methodComp method
àAltGr+,aComp,`,a
ÀAltGr+,AComp,`,A
èAltGr+,eComp,`,e
ÈAltGr+,EComp,`,E
ìAltGr+,iComp,`,i
ÌAltGr+,IComp,`,I
ǹAltGr+,nComp,`,n
ǸAltGr+,NComp,`,N
òAltGr+,oComp,`,o
ÒAltGr+,OComp,`,O
ùAltGr+,uComp,`,u
ÙAltGr+,UComp,`,U
AltGr+,wComp,`,w
AltGr+,WComp,`,W
AltGr+,yComp,`,y
AltGr+,YComp,`,Y

Circumflex

The easiest way to add a cirumflex (^; also called a chevron, even though the háček is an actual chevron) to a letter is to press AltGr+6; this functions as a dead key, and sticks a circumflex on the next letter pressed. Alternatives are Comp,^ and Comp,>; these combinations also work like dead keys.

CharacterAltGr method^ method> method
âAltGr+6,aComp,^,aComp,>,a
ÂAltGr+6,A Comp,^,AComp,>,A
ĉAltGr+6,cComp,Ahift+6,cComp,>,c
ĈAltGr+6,CComp,^,CComp,>,C
êAltGr+6,eComp,^,eComp,>,e
ÊAltGr+6,EComp,^,EComp,>,E
ĝAltGr+6,gComp,^,gComp,>,g
ĜAltGr+6,GComp,^,GComp,>,G
ĥAltGr+6,hComp,^,hComp,>,h
ĤAltGr+6,HComp,^,HComp,>,H
îAltGr+6,iComp,^,iComp,>,i
ÎAltGr+6,IComp,^,IComp,>,I
ĵAltGr+6,jComp,^,jComp,>,j
ĴAltGr+6,JComp,^,JComp,>,J
ôAltGr+6,oComp,^,oComp,>,o
ÔAltGr+6,OComp,^,OComp,>,O
ŝAltGr+6,sComp,^,sComp,>,
ŜAltGr+6,SComp,^,SCsomp,>,S
ûAltGr+6,uComp,^,uComp,>,u
ÛAltGr+6,UComp,^,UComp,>,U
ŵAltGr+6,wComp,^,wComp,>,w
ŴAltGr+6,WComp,^,WComp,>,W
ŷAltGr+6,yComp,^,yComp,>,y
ŶAltGr+6,YComp,^,YComp,>,Y
AltGr+6,zComp,^,zComp,>,z
AltGr+6,ZComp,^,ZComp,>,Shift+z

Umlaut (diaresis, tréma)

Umlauts are most easily entered with AltGr+8, which functions as a dead key, followed by the letter. They can also be entered with Comp,",<letter>.

CharacterAltGr methodComp method
äAltGr+8,aComp,",a
ÄAltGr+8,AComp,",A
ëAltGr+8,eComp,",e
ËAltGr+8,EComp,",E
AltGr+8,hComp,",h
AltGr+8,HComp,",H
ïAltGr+8,iComp,",i
ÏAltGr+8,IComp,",I
öAltGr+8,oComp,",o
ÖAltGr+8,OComp,",O
AltGr+8,tComp,",t
üAltGr+8,uComp,",u
ÜAltGr+8,UComp,",U
AltGr+8,wComp,",w
AltGr+8,WComp,",W
AltGr+8,xComp,",x
AltGr+8,XComp,",X
ÿAltGr+8,yComp,",y
ŸAltGr+8,YComp,",Y

Háček (caron)

The háček, or caron, is the one that looks like an inverted circumflex. The easiest way to enter it is with AltGr+v, which works as a dead key to put a chevron on the next letter. It can also be entered with Comp,v, Comp,c, or Comp,<.

The caron changes the pronunciations of S and C to SH and CH, which means we could spell words like šugar and čurč and be completely unambiguous. This is a diacritic both English and Irish should adopt.

LetterAltGr methodV methodC method< method
ǎAltGr+v,aComp,v,aComp,c,aComp,<,a
ǍAltGr+v,AComp,v,AComp,c,AComp,<,A
čAltGr+v,cComp,v,cComp,c,cComp,<,c
ČAltGr+v,CComp,v,CComp,c,CComp,<,C
ďAltGr+v,dComp,v,dComp,c,dComp,<,d
ĎAltGr+v,DComp,v,DComp,c,DComp,<,D
ěAltGr+v,eComp,v,eComp,c,eComp,<,e
ĚAltGr+v,EComp,v,EComp,c,EComp,<,E
ǧAltGr+v,gComp,v,gComp,c,gComp,<,g
ǦAltGr+v,GComp,v,GComp,c,GComp,<,G
ȟAltGr+v,hComp,v,hComp,c,hComp,<,h
ȞAltGr+v,HComp,v,HComp,c,HComp,<,H
ǐAltGr+v,iComp,v,iComp,c,iComp,<,i
ǏAltGr+v,IComp,v,IComp,c,IComp,<,I
ǰAltGr+v,jComp,v,jComp,c,jComp,<,j
ǩAltGr+v,kComp,v,kComp,c,kComp,<,k
ǨAltGr+v,KComp,v,KComp,c,KComp,<,K
ľAltGr+v,lComp,v,lComp,c,lComp,<,l
ĽAltGr+v,LComp,v,LComp,c,LComp,<,L
ňAltGr+v,nComp,v,nComp,c,nComp,<,n
ŇAltGr+v,NComp,v,NComp,c,NComp,<,N
ǒAltGr+v,oComp,v,oComp,c,oComp,<,o
ǑAltGr+v,OComp,v,OComp,c,OComp,<,O
řAltGr+v,rComp,v,rComp,c,rComp,<,r
ŘAltGr+v,RComp,v,RComp,c,RComp,<,R
šAltGr+v,sComp,v,sComp,c,sComp,<,s
ŠAltGr+v,SComp,v,SComp,c,SComp,<,S
ťAltGr+v,tComp,v,tComp,c,tComp,<,t
ŤAltGr+v,TComp,v,TComp,c,TComp,<,T
ǔAltGr+v,uComp,v,uComp,c,uComp,<,u
ǓAltGr+v,UComp,v,UComp,c,UComp,<,U
žAltGr+v,zComp,v,zComp,c,zComp,<,z
ŽAltGr+v,ZComp,v,ZComp,c,ZComp,<,Z

Breve

The breve, which looks like a curvy chevron, is input with either Comp,b, or Comp,u followed by the letter.

LetterB methodU method
ăComp,b,aComp,u,a
ĂComp,b,AComp,u,A
ĕComp,b,eComp,u,e
ĔComp,b,EComp,u,E
ğComp,b,gComp,u,g
ĞComp,b,GComp,u,G
ĭComp,b,iComp,u,i
ĬComp,b,IComp,u,I
ŏComp,b,oComp,u,o
ŎComp,b,OComp,u,O
ŭComp,b,uComp,u,u
ŬComp,b,UComp,u,U

Macron

The macron, which is apparently not the same as an overbar, is added to a vowel with Comp,- and then the letter.

LetterMethod
āComp,-,a
ÃComp,-,A
ēComp,-,e
ĒComp,-,E
īComp,-,i
ĪComp,-,I
ōComp,-,o
ÕComp,-,O
ūComp,-,u
ŪComp,-,U
ȳComp,_,y
ȲComp,_,Y

Tilde

The easiest way to add a tilde to a letter is with AltGr+n and then the letter. It can also be done with Comp,~ (equivalent to Comp,~). In the case of N, it can also be accomplished with Comp,-,n.

LetterAltGr methodComp methodOther
ãAltGr+n,aComp,~,a 
ÃAltGr+n,AComp,~,A 
AltGr+n,eComp,~,e 
AltGr+n,EComp,~,E 
ĩAltGr+n,iComp,~,i 
ĨAltGr+n,IComp,~,I 
ñAltGr+n,nComp,~,nComp,-,n
ÑAltGr+n,NComp,~,NComp,-,N
õAltGr+n,oComp,~,o 
ÕAltGr+n,OComp,~,O 
ũAltGr+n,uComp,~,u 
ŨAltGr+n,UComp,~,U 
AltGr+n,vComp,~,v 
AltGr+n,VComp,~,V 
AltGr+n,yComp,~,y 
AltGr+n,YComp,~,Y 

Overring

An overring may be added to a letter with either AltGr+k or Comp,o followed by the letter. Another way to do it is with Comp,* (equivalent to Comp,*) and then the letter. Scandinavians using an Irish keyboard will be pleased to note that å can be typed with Comp,a,a.

LetterAltGr methodO method method* methodOther
åAltGr+k,aComp,o,aComp,*,aComp,a,a
ÅAltGr+k,AComp,o,AComp,*,AComp,A,A
ůAltGr+k,uComp,o,uComp,*,u 
ŮAltGr+k,UComp,o,UComp,*,U 
AltGr+k,wComp,o,wComp,*,w 
AltGr+k,yComp,o,yComp,*,y 

Stroke

Several letters can have a stroke added with Comp,/ followed by the letter. A slash can also be applied to D with Comp,-.

LetterCombinationOther
ƀComp,/,b 
đComp,/,dComp,-,d
Đ Comp,-,D
ǥComp,/,g 
ǤComp,/,G 
ħComp,/,h 
ĦComp,/,H 
ɨComp,/,i 
ĪComp,/,I 
łComp,/,l 
ŁComp,/,L 
øComp,/,o 
ØComp,/,O 
ŧComp,/,t 
ŦComp,/,T 
ƶComp,/,z 
ƵComp,/,Z 

Ogonek

An ogonek can be added to a letter in two ways; Comp with either comma or semicolon will add an ogonek to the next letter.

LetterComma methodSemicolon method
ąComp,,,aComp,;,a
ĄComp,,,AComp,;,A
ęComp,,,eComp,;,e
ĘComp,,,EComp,;,E
įComp,,,iComp,;,i
ĮComp,,,IComp,;,I
ǫComp,,,oComp,;,o
ǪComp,,,OComp,;,O
ųComp,,,uComp,;,u
ŲComp,,,UComp,;,U

Cedille (cedilla)

A cedille can be added to a copatible letter with AltGr+|, followed by the letter. Alternatively, it can be applied with Comp,,,<letter> to letters that cannot take ogoneks. (One would think that this combination would instead add a comma, but oh well)

The cedille is input with Comp and comma, as long as a cedille can be attached and an ogonek can't. The easiest way to attach a cedille to a letter is with AltGr+>. It can also be done with comp and comma, as long as the letter in question doesn't take an ogonek; Comp and semicolon does nothing to these letters. (For whatever reason, ķ looks like it has a comma, but appears to be a cedille).

LetterAltGr methodComp method
çAltGr+|,cComp,,,c
ÇAltGr+|,CComp,,,C
AltGr+|,dComp,,,d
AltGr+|,DComp,,,D
ģAltGr+|,gComp,,,g
ĢAltGr+|,GComp,,,G
AltGr+|,hComp,,,h
AltGr+|,HComp,,,H
ķAltGr+|,kComp,,,k
ĶAltGr+|,KComp,,,K
ļAltGr+|,lComp,,,l
ĻAltGr+|,LComp,,,L
ņAltGr+|,nComp,,,n
ŅAltGr+|,NComp,,,N
ŗAltGr+|,rComp,,,r
ŖAltGr+|,RComp,,,R
şAltGr+|,sComp,,,,s
ŞAltGr+|,SComp,,,S
ţAltGr+|,tComp,,,t
ŢAltGr+|,TComp,,,T

Comma

A comma can be added the letters S and T with Comp,;. Yes, a comma adds a cedille, while a comma is added with a semicolon.

CharacterCombination
șComp,;,s
ȘComp,;,S
țComp,;,t
ȚComp,;,T

Underdot

A dot can be placed under a letter with Comp,! followed by the letter.

LetterCombination
Comp,!,a
Comp,!,A
Comp,!,b
Comp,!,B
Comp,!,D
Comp,!,D
Comp,!,e
Comp,!,E
Comp,!,H
Comp,!,H
Comp,!,I
Comp,!,I
Comp,!,k
Comp,!,K
Comp,!,l
Comp,!,L
Comp,!,m
Comp,!,M
Comp,!,n
Comp,!,N
Comp,!,o
Comp,!,O
Comp,!,r
Comp,!,R
Comp,!,s
Comp,!,S
Comp,!,t
Comp,!,T
Comp,!,u
Comp,!,U
ṿComp,!,v
Comp,!,V
Comp,!,w
Comp,!,W
Comp,!,y
Comp,!,Y
Comp,!,z
Comp,!,Z

Overhook

A hook can be placed on top of a letter with Comp,? followed by the letter.

LetterCombination
Comp,>,a
Comp,>,A
Comp,>,e
Comp,>,E
Comp,>,i
Comp,>,I
Comp,>,o
Comp,>,O
Comp,>,u
Comp,>,U
Comp,>,y
Comp,>,Y

Horn

The horn is a diacritic used exclusively in Vietnamese. It is entered with Comp,+ followed by the letter.

LetterCombination
ơComp,+,o
ƠComp,+,O
ưComp,+,u
ƯComp,+,U

Double-fada (double acute accent)

The double acute accent (or double-fada as I prefer to call it) is entered with Comp,= followed by the letter.

LetterCombination
őComp,=,o
ŐComp,=,O
űComp,=,u
ŰComp,=,U

    Combinations 

Fada and overdot

LetterCombination
Comp,.,',s
Comp,.,',S

Fada and circumflex

LetterCombination
Comp,',^,a
Comp,',^,A
ếComp,',^,e
Comp,',^,E
Comp,',^,o
Comp,',^,O

Fada and Breve

LetterCombination
Comp,',b,a
Comp,',b,A

Fada and umlaut

There are precomposed glyphs for ḯ and ǘ, typed with Comp,'," (equivalent to Comp,',").

Precomposed

LetterCombination
Comp,',",i
Comp,'.",I
ǘComp,',",u
ǗComp,',",U

Fada and breve

A fada and breve can be placed on top of the letter a letter with Comp,',b.

LetterCombination
Comp,',b,a
Comp,',b,A

Fada and macron

A fada can be put on top of a macron on a letter with Comp,_,'.

LetterCombination
Comp,',_,e
Comp,',_,E
Comp,',_,o
Comp,',_,O

Fada and tilde

A letter can take a fada and a tilde in two ways - either AltGr+n and then AltGr+<letter>, or Comp,',~ and then the letter.

LetterAltGr methodComp method
AltGr+n,AltGr+oComp,',~,o
AltGr+n,AltGr+O
AltGr+n,AltGr+u
AltGr+n,AltGr+U

Fada and overring

LetterCombination
ǻComp,',AltGr+k,a

Fada and stroke

LetterCombination
ǿComp,',/,o
ǾComp,',/,O

Fada and cedille

The letter C can take a cedil and a fada with Comp,',AltGr+> and then the letter. This isn't a precomposed character; the character seen is actually the character with a cedil, and the fada character superimposed.

LetterCombination
Comp,',AltGr+,c
Comp,',AltGr+,C

Fada and horn

The letters O and U can take both a fada and a horn with Comp,',Shift||

LetterCombination
Comp,',+,o
Comp,',+,Shifr+o
Comp,',+,u
Comp,',Shifr+=,U

Overdot and háček

The letter S can take an overdot and háček with Comp,.,AltGr+v

LetterCombination
Comp,.,AltGr+v,s
Comp,.,AltGr+v,S

Overdot and macron

A ponc and a macron can be added with Comp,_,. and the letter.

LetterCombination
ǡComp,_,.,a
ǠComp,_,.,A
ȱComp,_,.,o
ȰComp,_,.,O

Overdot and underdot

The letter S can get a dot above and below with Comp,.,! (equivalent to Comp,.,!)

LetterCombination
Comp,.,!,s
Comp,.,!,S

Grave and circumflex

A grave and circumflex can be added with either AltGr+,AltGr+6 or Comp,`,^ and then the letter.

LetterAltGr methodComp method
AltGr+,AltGr+6,aComp,`,^,a
AltGr+,AltGr+6,AComp,`,^,A
AltGr+,AltGr+6,eComp,`,^,e
AltGr+,AltGr+6,EComp,`,^,E
AltGr+,AltGr+6,oComp,`,^,o
AltGr+,AltGr+6,OComp,`,^,O

Grave and umlaut

The letter U can get a grave and umlaut with either AltGr+,AltGr+8 or Comp,`," and then U. It can also be accomplised with AltGr+,v.

LetterAltGr methodShortcutComp method
ǜAltGr+,AltGr+8,uAltGr+,vComp,`,",u
ǛAltGr+,AltGr+8,UAltGr+,>Comp,`,",Shuft+u

Grave and breve

A grave and breve can be added to a letter A with AltGr+,Comp,b or Comp,`,b and then A.

LetterAltGr methodComp method
AltGr+,Comp,b,aComp,`,b,a
AltGr+,Comp,b,AComp,`,b,A

Grave and macron

E and O can take a grave and macron with Comp,`,_ and then the letter.

LetterCombination
Comp,`,_,e
Comp,`,_,E
Comp,`,_,o
Comp,`,_,O

Grave and horn

O and U can take a grave and a horn with AltGr+,Comp,+ or Comp,`,+ and then the letter.

LetterAltGr methodComp method
AltGr+,Comp,+,oComp,`,+,o
AltGr+,Comp,+,OComp,`,+,O
AltGr+,Comp,+,uComp,`,+,u
AltGr+,Comp,+,OComp,`,+,O

Circumflex and tilde

Some letters can take a circumflex and a tilde with AltGr+n,AltGr+6 or Comp,~,^.

LetterAltGr methodComp method
AltGr+n,AltGr+6,aComp,~,^,a
AltGr+n,AltGr+6,AComp,~,^,A
AltGr+n,AltGr+6,eComp,~,^,e
AltGr+n,AltGr+6,EComp,~,^,E
AltGr+n,AltGr+6,oComp,~,^,o
AltGr+n,AltGr+6,OComp,~,^,O

Circumflex and underdot

Some letters can take a circumflex and underdot with either AltGr+6,Comp,! or Comp,^,!.

LetterAltGr methodComp method
AltGr+6,Comp,!,aComp,^,!,a
AltGr+6,Comp,!,AComp,^,!,A
AltGr+6,Comp,!,eComp,^,!,e
AltGr+6,Comp,!,EComp,^,!,E
AltGr+6,Comp,!,oComp,^,!,o
AltGr+6,Comp,!,OComp,^,!,O

Circumflex and hook

A circumflex and hook can be put on a letter with Comp,> followed by either ^ or AltGr+6 and then the letter.

LetterAltGr methodComp-only method
Comp,>,AltGr+6,aComp,>,^,a
Comp,>,AltGr+6,AComp,>,^,A
Comp,>,AltGr+6,eComp,>,^,e
Comp,>,AltGr+6,EComp,>,^,E
Comp,>,AltGr+6,oComp,>,^,o
Comp,>,AltGr+6,OComp,>,^,O

Umlaut and breve

The letter U can take and umlaut and breve with Comp,c,",u.

LetterCombination
ǚComp,c,",u
ǙComp,c,",U

Umlaut and macron

The letter U can take an umlaut and a macron in two ways. Comp,",_,u will put the umlaut on top, while Comp,_," will put the macron on top.

LetterCombination
Comp,",_,u
Comp,",_,>
ǖComp,Shit+-,",u
ǕComp,Shifr+-,",U

Umlaut and tilde

The letter O can take an umlaut and tilde with AltGr+n,AltGr+8 orComp,",~.

LetterAltGr methodCombination
AltGr+n,AltGr+8,oComp,",~,o
AltGr+n,AltGr+8,NComp,",~,O

Breve and tilde

A breve and tilde can be applied to the letter A with either AltGr+n,Comp,b or Comp,~,b and then the letter.

LetterAltGr methodComp method
AltGr+n,Comp,b,aComp,~,b,a
AltGr+n,Comp,b,AComp,~,b,A

Breve and cedille

A breve and cedil can be added to the letter E with Comp,b,,,e

LetterCombination0
Comp,b,,,e
Comp,b,,,E

Breve and underdot

A breve and underdot can be added to the letter A with Comp,b,!,a.

LetterCombination
Comp,b,!,a
Comp,b,!,A

Macron and tilde

The letter O can take a macron and tilde with Comp,_,AltGr+n or Comp,_,~.

LetterAltGr methodComp method
ȭComp,_,AltGr+n,oComp,_,~,o
ȬComp,_,AltGr+n,OComp,_,~,O

Macron and ogonek

A macron and ogonek can be applied to the letter O with Comp,_,;

LetterCombination
ǭComp,_,;,o
ǬComp,_,;,O

Macron and underdot

Some surprising letters can take a macron and underdot with Comp,_,!. This is apparently used in transliterating Indic languages.

LetterCombination
Comp,_,!,l
Comp,_,!,L
Comp,_,!,r
Comp,_,!,R

Tilde and horn

O and U can take a tilde and a horn with Comp,~,+

LetterCombination
Comp,~,+,o
Comp,~,+,O
Comp,~,+,u
Comp,~,+,U

Hook and horn

O and U can take a hook and a horn with Comp,>,+.

LetterCombination
Comp,>,+,o
Comp,>,+,O
Comp,>,+,u
Comp,>,+,U

    Mathematical symbols 

Fractions

A number of common fractions have specific symbols, which can be entered with Comp,numerator,denominator. A few also have specific AltGr shortcuts. Note that the numbers must be entered with the top row of the keyboard; it will not work with the numeric keypad.

FractionAltGr shortcutComp combo
½AltGr+KComp,1,2
 Comp,1,3
¼AltGr+JComp,1,4
 Comp,1,5
 Comp,1,6
 Comp,1,7
 Comp,1,8
 Comp,1,9
 Comp,1,1,0
 Comp,2,3
 Comp,2,5
¾AltGr+LComp,3,4
 Comp,3,5
 Comp,3,8
 Comp,4,5
 Comp,5,6
 Comp,5,8
 Comp,7,8
 Comp,0,3

Operations

SymbolDescriptionAltGr methodComp methodAlternative Comp method
>Greater than>Comp,g,t 
<Less than>Comp,l,t 
Greater than or equal toAltGr+.Comp,_,. 
Less than or equal toAltGr+,Comp,Shifr+-,, 
·Dot (multiplication)AltGr+(Comp,.,^*
×Cross (multiplication)AltGr+xComp,x,x 
÷Obelus (division)AltGr+/Comp,:,-
±Plus or minusAltGr++Comp,-,+ 
Not equalsAltGr+=  
Asymptotically equivalentAltGr+n,=  
Approximately Comp,~,~
Equivalent to Comp,=,_
CognateAltGr+X  
 |Vertical line (logical OR)>Comp,l,vComp,^,/
¬Logical NOT>Comp,,,- Comp,-,,
Square root Comp,/,v 
Diamond Comp,>,>

APL symbols

SymbolDescriptionHow to enter
Scan (first axis)Comp,,-
Reduce (first axis)Comp,/,-
???Comp,[,]
???Comp,;,_
???Comp,>,~
???Comp,~,0

Arrows

SymbolDescriptionHow to enter
Right arrowComp,-,>
Up arrowComp,>,^
Left arrowComp,>,-
Down arrowComp,>,v
Double right arrowComp,=,>

[[folder:Others]]

SymbolDescriptionAltGr methodComp methodAlternative Comp method
µGreek muAltGr+yComp,m,uComp,/,u
Diameter symbol Comp,d,i 
ħh-bar (reduced planck constant) Comp,/,h 
Per milleAltGr+^Comp,%,o 
°Degree signAltGr+)Comp,o,o 
Infinity Comp,8,8 
Null set Comp,{,}
Triangle (therefore) Comp,:,.
Inverted triangle (because) Comp,.,:

Punctuation

SymbolDescriptionAltGr methodComp method
¡Inverted exclamation markAltGr+1 
¿Inverted question markAltGr+> 
Interrobang Comp,!,>
Inverted interrobank Comp,>,!
Tironian andAltGr+> 
Bullet pointAltGr+* 
En dashAltGr+- Comp,-,-,.
Em dashAltGr+_ Comp,-,-,-
{Open curly bracket{Comp,(,-
}Close curly bracket}Comp,),-
Opening double quotation mark (top)AltGr+[Comp,",>
Opening double quotation mark (bottom)AltGr+> 
Closing double quotation markAltGr+{Comp,",>
Opening single quotation mark (top)AltGr+]Comp,',>
Opening single quotation mark (bottom)AltGr+>Comp,',>
Closing single quotation markAltGr+} 
«Opening double angle quotation bracketsAltGr+# 
»Closing double angle quotation bracketsAltGr+~ 
Opening single angle quotation bracket Comp,.,>
Closing single angle quotation bracket Comp,.,>
EllipsesAltGr+;Comp,.,.
BackslashComp,/,/ 

Typography

SymbolAltGr methodComp methodAlternative
§AltGr+5Comp,o,s 
AltGr+7Comp,!,p 

Footnotes

SymbolAltGr methodComp method
AltGr+% 
AltGr+: 
ª Comp,^,_,a
ʰ Comp,^_,h
 Comp,^_,i
ʲ Comp,^_,j
ˡ Comp,^_,l
 Comp,^_,n
º Comp,^,_,o
ʳ Comp,^_,r
ˢ Comp,^_,s
ʷ Comp,^_,w
ˣ Comp,^_,x
ʸ Comp,^_,y

Ordinal indicators

IndicatorHow to enter
ªAltGr+9
ºAltGr+0

Superscripts

Numbers and some mathematical symbols can be input with Comp,^ and then the character. This is equivalent to Comp,^ but only works with ^; Comp,AltGr+6 does nothing.

1, 2, and 3 can alternatively be superscripted with Alt GR+Shift||<number>.

SymbolAltGr methodComp method
¹AltGr+!Comp,^,1
²AltGr+"Comp,^,2
³AltGrComp,^,3
 Comp,^,4
 Comp,^,5
 Comp,^,6
 Comp,^,7
 Comp,^,8
 Comp,^,9
 Comp,^,0
 Comp,^,(
 Comp,^,)
¯ Comp,^,-
 Comp,^,=
 Comp,^,+

Subscripts

Subscript version of some symbols can be entered with Comp,_ and then the number.

SymbolCombination
Comp,_,1
Comp,_,2
Comp,_,3
Comp,_,4
Comp,_,5
Comp,_,6
Comp,_,7
Comp,_,8
Comp,_,9
Comp,_,0
Comp,_,shift+(
Comp,_,>
Comp,_,=
Comp,_,+

Circled numbers

All unaccented letters, and numbers up to 50, can be put in a circle with Comp,(,<character>,).

CharacterCombination
Comp,(,0,)
Comp,(,1,)
Comp,(,2,)
Comp,(,3,)
Comp,(,4,)
Comp,(,5,)
Comp,(,6,)
Comp,(,7,)
Comp,(,8,)
Comp,(,9,)
Comp,(,1,0,)
Comp,(,1,1,)
Comp,(,1,2,)
Comp,(,1,3,)
Comp,(,1,4,)
Comp,(,1,5,)
Comp,(,1,6,)
Comp,(,1,7,)
Comp,(,1,8,)
Comp,(,1,9,)
Comp,(,2,0,)
Comp,(,2,1,)
Comp,(,2,2,)
Comp,(,2,3,)
Comp,(,2,4,)
Comp,(,2,5,)
Comp,(,2,6,)
Comp,(,2,7,)
Comp,(,2,8,)
Comp,(,2,9,)
Comp,(,3,0,)
Comp,(,3,1,)
Comp,(,3,2,)
Comp,(,3,3,)
Comp,(,3,4,)
Comp,(,3,5,)
Comp,(,3,6,)
Comp,(,3,7,)
Comp,(,3,8,)
Comp,(,3,9,)
Comp,(,4,0,)
Comp,(,4,1,)
Comp,(,4,2,)
Comp,(,4,3,)
Comp,(,4,4,)
Comp,(,4,5,)
Comp,(,4,6,)
Comp,(,4,7,)
Comp,(,4,8,)
Comp,(,4,9,)
Comp,(,5,0,)
Comp,(,a,)
Comp,(,A,)
Comp,(,b,)
Comp,(,B,)
Comp,(,c,)
Comp,(,C,)
Comp,(,d,)
Comp,(,D,)
Comp,(,e,)
Comp,(,E,)
Comp,(,f,)
Comp,(,F,)
Comp,(,g,)
Comp,(,G,)
Comp,(,h,)
Comp,(,H,)
Comp,(,i,)
Comp,(,I,)
Comp,(,j,)
Comp,(,J,)
Comp,(,k,)
Comp,(,K,)
Comp,(,l,)
Comp,(,L,)
Comp,(,m,)
Comp,(,M,)
Comp,(,n,)
Comp,(,N,)
Comp,(,o,)
Comp,(,O,)
Comp,(,p,)
Comp,(,P,)
Comp,(,q,)
Comp,(,Q,)
Comp,(,r,)
Comp,(,R,)
Comp,(,s,)
Comp,(,S,)
Comp,(,t,)
Comp,(,T,)
Comp,(,u,)
Comp,(,U,)
Comp,(,v,)
Comp,(,V,)
Comp,(,w,)
Comp,(,W,)
Comp,(,x,)
Comp,(,X,)
Comp,(,y,)
Comp,(,Y,)
Comp,(,z,)
Comp,(,Z,)

Currency

Many currency symbols can be entered by combining Comp,= with a letter resembling the barless symbol. A few can more easily be typed with AltGr plus the letter that the currency resembles.

SymbolNameAltGr methodComp methodAlternative
¤Generic currency Comp,x,oComp,o,x
¢CentAltGr+$Comp,/,c 
Colón Comp,/, C 
European curency unit Comp,C,E 
Cruzeiro Comp,C,r 
Đồng Comp,=,d 
EuroAltGr+4Comp,=,cComp,=,e
Frank Comp,F,r 
Naira Comp,=,N
£Pound (single bar)£Comp,-,l
Comp,=,l
 
Pound (double bar) Comp,=,L 
Mill Comp,/,m 
Peseta Comp,P,t
Rouble Comp,=,p 
Rupee (generic) Comp,R,s 
Rupee (India) Comp,=,r 
Won Comp,=,W 
¥YenAltGr+yComp,=,y
Comp,-,y
 

Smileys

SmileyCombination
Comp,:,)
Comp,:,(

Musical symbols

Musical symbols are typed with Comp,# followed by a key.

SymbolDesriptionCombination
SharpComp,#,#
FlatComp,#,b
QuaverComp,#,e
Double quaverComp,#,E
SemiquaverComp,#,S
NaturalComp,#,f
CrotchitComp,#,q

Other symbols

SymbolDescriptionAltGr methodComp methodAlternative
©Copyright symbolAltGr+3Comp,o,cComp,(,c
®Registered trademarkAltGr+rComp,o,rComp,(,r
Service mark Comp,s,m 
TrademarkAltGr+2Comp,t,m 
¦Broken pipeAltGr+`Comp,!,^ *
#Hash sign#Comp,+,+  
Number sign Comp,N,o 
@At sign>Comp,A,T
Hammer and sickle Comp,C,C,C,P 
Underlined apostrophe Comp,_,' 
Underlined semicolon Comp,;,_  
Solid heart Comp,<,3 

    Spaces 

Some specific spaces have Comp sequences, if you need a specific type of space.

SpaceDescriptionCombination
 Non-breaking spaceComp, ,
Punctuation space (width of a full stop)Comp, ,.­
­Soft hyphenComp,-,-,

Edited by VampireBuddha on May 2nd 2024 at 8:16:35 PM

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RainehDaze Figure of Hourai from Scotland (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: Serial head-patter
Figure of Hourai
#10099: May 2nd 2024 at 11:31:55 AM

Please put that in a folder. <_>

Relatedly, I thought the compose key was in the X settings of all places. No idea if that's migrated over to Wayland. (As for AltGr, although standard on British keyboards, I think it's not generally available on a US keyboard layout—not a clue where that might leave European ones; I really guess it depends who was implementing what at any given moment).

Edited by RainehDaze on May 2nd 2024 at 7:32:48 PM

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Redmess
#10100: May 2nd 2024 at 11:37:53 AM

You, uh, may want to folderize that one. [nja]

Edited by Redmess on May 2nd 2024 at 8:38:09 PM

Optimism is a duty.

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